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Thursday, 24th May 2018 by Charlie Bolton

Bedminster Green survey results

Bedminster Green survey

Southville Green councillors have conducted a survey of residents in the area to try and ascertain their views of the proposals for Bedminster Green.

Overall, they received 306 responses. 28 were collected door to door (in the area of Southville ward, between Malago Road and East St – the rest obtained on-line.

The survey asked for the street people lived in:

88 live in Southville

Around 50 gave no address

20 or so live in Bedminster or other wards

The rest – approximately half – live in Windmill Hill

 

Results


q1 Do you think Bedminster Green area should be developed
 

 

Yes

No

Maybe

Total

184

50

59

 

60.9%

19.2%

18.9%

Southville only

57

15

8

 

71.2%

18.8%

10%

 

q2  Do you think tall buildings are

 

Good

Bad

Neutral

Total

30

189

59

 

10.4%

68%

11.6%

Southville only

13

47

21

 

16%

58%

26%



Q3 Do you think having as much affordable housing as possible in the development is

 

Important

Unimportant

Neutral

Total

224

21

52

 

74.4%

7%

18.6%

Southville only

62

7

10

 

78%

9%

13%

 




This is the response to the questions on air quality, school places, health provision and public transport.

 

Comments

This is a selection of the comments people made. (There are over 30 pages in total!)

Comments on tall buildings

I think there is even a difference between tall buildings... and "this" many buildings that are "this" tall. Tall buildings in the right place, sure - fine. Tall building in keeping, sure - fine. But that many buildings, this tall, in this location - it seems disproportionate and out of character.

I worry about the landscape of the city changing if tall buildings are built. Bristol is a city without really tall buildings and all the better for it. It will have huge implications on what the city will look/feel like in the future. There must be alternatives.

Really very depressed that what was set out to be some sort of new urban village plan has morphed into a profit-taking series of land-banking planning permission exercises that raise the land value , presumably reducing the real options to A. Build Nothing in foreseeable future whilst sitting on plot with permission. B. Build enormous if finance found. Really cant take any of the actors seriously any more , or fit their latest jigsaw piece in with the others as they keep changing ideas, selling-out, and not constructing. Nothing has been delivered, But nothing appeals.

This area is nice green space and should be left untouched as it's places like this that make Bristol the unique city that it is.

On a political level, where are the 22 storey proposals in Clifton or Redland?

Tall isn’t bad, we need houses and here on brownfield, very close to the city centre is much better than on green fields and car journeys away

High rise buildings in this area are pushing an agenda for the council without due consideration of their potential negative impact upon an area. The majority of south bristol housing is low to medium level. Tall buildings in the proposed locations will dominate the skyline towards the city. An influx of residents, without sufficient infrastructure to support them, will put pressure on already struggling resources.

Concerned about mono-culture in 1, 2 bed flats.

We need to build communities that bring people together if we are going to take pressure off the NHS. The present plans for the area are inappropriate if will do huge damage. It was a massive error to grant permission for a tower block at St Catherine's Place

My brother lives on the 10th floor of one in Dubai, loves it.

I know the area well having lived in or around since the 90s.  I see or travel through this immediate area every day re kids, friends and work. These plans need urgent community involvement as a priority, and joined up thinking, putting community at the heart of all housing design.  The scale, mass and height of the developers' ambitions are fantastical and worrying for the existing community and surrounding areas.  Particularly as this type of housing is NOT recommended for cityscapes like Bristol and will contribute nothing to it. This is not Good Design, and does not compliment the thriving and vibrant culture created by residents here over the last 20 odd yrs.  Equally it does not address in any way the current affordable housing shortage for families and other residents here in Bedminster or beyond. It feels as if we don't have a stake anymore in the way councils consider & award planning permission.  The places we call home and the fragile community pockets & spaces we create and invest in can be destroyed and broken so easily by BCC. Put people and communities ahead of profit for developers.    Because that's what it is.  There are so many amazing housing drvelopment alternatives out there that will compliment and enhance Bristol.

If they are well designed. It should be noted that there is a wide demographic who are happy and even aspire to living in such buildings. WHaM's assertion that we would 'repeat mistakes of the 1970s' is a mis-conception. Likewise trying to use the Grenfell tragedy to support a NIMBY agenda.

I accept there is a need for more housing but building flats 18 / 20 storeys high in this area will devastate it.  It will be just a concrete jungle and out of keeping with the area.

Wapping Wharf with 6 -8 storeys and shops/cafes, etc is a human-scale development but the proposed high-rises will overwhelm and overshadow everything in the vicinity

1200 to 1500 and no parking you the councillors are a joke!!

 

Other comments

 

Incentives for occupants not to have cars would be good (reduced rent/ service charge/ council tax and given location close to city centre and public transport very reasonable (but plenty of room for improvement in public transport)

The area is already over populated. There is no parking

The issue is not really about height, but about optimal density, quality and liveability. Height MAY be a proxy for these but not always.

I am passionate about sustainability and the environment , and a Green Party voter, so it may seem contradictory to promote development of green land, especially 'IN MY BACKYARD'.
(Yimby!!) However, the small patch of green is right next to the busy Dalby ave and not often used for actual 'park' activities, given that the beautiful Victoria park and Windmill city farm is right next door.  In this case I think it is about weighing in the huge potential this development could have on our local community. Perhaps some activity spaces such as community centre/music groups/yoga studio/meeting space could be included in the ground level to make the development an asset for all of the neighbourhood, not only the residents.

 Again, in order to prevent gentrification, locals who have lived in Bemmie all their lifes should be offered tenancy/be first in line to buy the flats that are sold.

However, if this development is promoted correctly, it has the potential to be a truly sustainable housing location, with metrobuses connecting to north parts of Bristol and closeness by bike and foot to all central attractions. It could revive our own high street and transform Bemmie without pushing away the lower income households

No good just having Marvin saying he wants a legacy of skyscrapers. These cant be afforded by the majority through their lifetime. And don't deliver community , amenity , fire safety etc. density even.

Coordination between developers at the planning stage is ESSENTIAL for good place-making and rational circulation for the scheme as a whole. The planning process should be obliged to ensure that a masterplan achieves some joined up thinking.

It should be all affordable. And sustainable - homes with storage and outdoor amenity space. And preserve the green-roofed Segal building

Need to ensure active frontages (not bin stores & bike parking, but shops, cafes, leisure). Good to have a mix of units not just 1 & 2-bed flats - some family homes. Parking in surrounding area needs to be addressed (eg Windmill Hill)

Very important to me to keep all the mature trees on the ‘Green’ otherwise it won’t be very green . Need traffic calming measures on Malago Rd (air and noise pollution bad at the moment). GP provision in the area already overstretched. If tall apartments well built/ designed then not a problem.

The area is made up of families living in pretty Terace Houses. Please think about the high rise not fitting in with the area. Gaol Ferry Steps has flats which fit in with the skyline and apex roofs which also fit in. Please can you be creative and develop the area in a different way? The site pollution is already one of the highest in Bristol and surrounding areas. Also after Grenville Towers why would you want to build such tall buildings. I do not think the fire brigade have ladders and equipment to fight a fire in such a tall building?

Since East St is already one of the most polluted roads in the country, I would like to know what BCC's plan is to improve that, particularly with another 1,000+ residents very locally.

The total arrogance and undemocratic practice of the Mayor and Council on this matter

Community infrastructure is key - those above plus utilties and broadband. Air quality a no providing car parking is "managed", i.e. car ownership minimized

It is simply ludicrous that blocks of 10–23 stories are even being considered for this part of Bristol. It's utterly incongruous with the existing built environment, and seems solely designed to tick the box for 'units created', with little thought to the existing or future community.
The plans, or what we know of them so far, are piecemeal, greedy, ugly, and are the clearest examples short-termism and unconnected planning in development that I have seen. They will create a transient and unconnected community which will, at worst, blight Bedminster for many decades to come.
With so many examples of decent family housing so close by (Abode Homes on Bedminster Road), and medium–high rise, dense town-centre development (Wapping wharf), why should Bedminster Green not be considered for a mix of these styles/types of development? Why is high-rise being touted as the only solution for every single plot that's bought up?
Something nobody wants to address is the cost of the land: if developers can only profit at 10-stories-plus, surely that's simply a sign they've overpaid for the land in the bidding wars of several years ago. Why should an established community be forced to pay the price for that level of hubris?
One final question I would have is why Bedminster is considered a perfect location for this kind of euphemistically-titled 'urban living' scheme (super-dense, with polluting energy centres etc), but the affluent west and north of the city are not even included in 'urban living' consultations. There is a historic character to South Bristol, just as there is to the north, though it is a far more working-class history. These insulting plans ride roughshod over this history, and this character, and seem more likely to hamper not help development of the area over the coming decades.

This is predominately a LOW RISE area & the introduction of above 6 floors is unnecessary

 

This development will cause enormous congestion around one of only two access points to Windmil Hill. Both while it is being prepared, and built (i.e. years) and afterwards  in the future. There is no good solution for people who live past the railway line and have only one way to reach their homes

As a Green Party memeber, I am disappointed that the Green councilors for Southville ward have taken so long to make any contact with residents who are most affected by the plans - most of whom live in the adjacent Windmill Hill ward. There has been nothing in the local newsletter and little or nothing from The Green Party in Bristol as a whole. I feel sure that if high rise development had been planned for the upmarket end of the ward around the Tobacco Factory then the plans would have been put to much greater scrutiny by Green members of the Council.

High rise development is never a good idea for creating sustainable communities for children to grow up in. All studies show that high rise is not good for children, for the elderly and for anybody with a disability. They favour young. fully able mobile, childless adults. The Green Party, if it means anything at all, should be supportive of the needs of the disadvantaged.

I am aware that the executive Mayor has almost dictatorial powers over development decisions. That does not mean that he and his majority party on the Council should not be vigourously challenged by all opposition parties on the Council - especially The Green Party. This development goes against almost everything that The Green Party should be fighting for. The Green Party in Bristol should be upholding those green principles

This is a massive project that will change the area.  I feel Consultation regarding the whole project should happen.  Including what local amenities are planned by BCC with the CIL money.

 

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